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		<title>By: davidsantamaria</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-4406</link>
		<dc:creator>davidsantamaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with libby, first on the nice use of the word swami, (hehehe) but more importantly, the value APR holds. Like any title, or accreditation, some who hold it may not necessarily be better than those who don&#039;t.

What makes the practitioner a great one, is his or her ability to grow with the times, the channels and the public. If the APR came for the sake of the APR and not to improve the practice, then it would have been void. Then again, only the individual would know that for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with libby, first on the nice use of the word swami, (hehehe) but more importantly, the value APR holds. Like any title, or accreditation, some who hold it may not necessarily be better than those who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>What makes the practitioner a great one, is his or her ability to grow with the times, the channels and the public. If the APR came for the sake of the APR and not to improve the practice, then it would have been void. Then again, only the individual would know that for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Still praising APR &#171; my(PR)palette</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-4153</link>
		<dc:creator>Still praising APR &#171; my(PR)palette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about whether APR still had value for PR professionals. There was a lively debate and I posted a comment which put me in the APR &#8216;die-hard&#8217; camp &#8211; a place I&#8217;m happy to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about whether APR still had value for PR professionals. There was a lively debate and I posted a comment which put me in the APR &#8216;die-hard&#8217; camp &#8211; a place I&#8217;m happy to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-3319</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course those who have the APR accreditation and those involved with PRSA and its related organizations will trumpet the challenge and demonstration of mastery and professionalism APR brings. Ph.D.s often do the same thing about getting a doctorate. After all, if you have something a small percentage of people have, why wouldn&#039;t you puff it up to be something wonderful?

In reality, though, APR is PRSA&#039;s money racket. Not only does PRSA charge large sums of money for its membership dues, but also it now has another way to make money. Seriously, what do the members get other than being able to say they are a member — oh, and a couple of publications that have shovelware stories from the Web.

Think about it, even after one achieves APR (a status that, as this blog author noted, doesn&#039;t make one any better at PR, nor does it help with any sort of employment), he or she must still achieve a certain number of maintenance credits. I just received an e-mail from PRSA moments ago about a workshop that is worth one maintenance credit for those APRs out there. What&#039;s the catch? The seminar, where we will be taught to use social media (yeah, PRSA for some reason STILL thinks social media is some new, mystical development), is $150 for PRSA members. Hm, so if one gains his or her maintenance credits through this method, how much will it cost that APR to maintain his or her accreditation over the course of a career?

I will end by saying I know many professionals who are APR-accredited that I respect and consider friends, but I personally feel as though PRSA is duping everyone. Of course, expect them to keep up a massive PR campaign to persuade you otherwise. Let the spokespersons and their trumpeting begin....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course those who have the APR accreditation and those involved with PRSA and its related organizations will trumpet the challenge and demonstration of mastery and professionalism APR brings. Ph.D.s often do the same thing about getting a doctorate. After all, if you have something a small percentage of people have, why wouldn&#8217;t you puff it up to be something wonderful?</p>
<p>In reality, though, APR is PRSA&#8217;s money racket. Not only does PRSA charge large sums of money for its membership dues, but also it now has another way to make money. Seriously, what do the members get other than being able to say they are a member — oh, and a couple of publications that have shovelware stories from the Web.</p>
<p>Think about it, even after one achieves APR (a status that, as this blog author noted, doesn&#8217;t make one any better at PR, nor does it help with any sort of employment), he or she must still achieve a certain number of maintenance credits. I just received an e-mail from PRSA moments ago about a workshop that is worth one maintenance credit for those APRs out there. What&#8217;s the catch? The seminar, where we will be taught to use social media (yeah, PRSA for some reason STILL thinks social media is some new, mystical development), is $150 for PRSA members. Hm, so if one gains his or her maintenance credits through this method, how much will it cost that APR to maintain his or her accreditation over the course of a career?</p>
<p>I will end by saying I know many professionals who are APR-accredited that I respect and consider friends, but I personally feel as though PRSA is duping everyone. Of course, expect them to keep up a massive PR campaign to persuade you otherwise. Let the spokespersons and their trumpeting begin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: APR or ABC Accreditation &#8211; Is there value in it? &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>APR or ABC Accreditation &#8211; Is there value in it? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] accreditation, such as this recent one; while others debate whether or not it makes sense, such as this one by Dave Mullen. Shel Holtz weighs in on the discussion here (although in the context of PR as a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] accreditation, such as this recent one; while others debate whether or not it makes sense, such as this one by Dave Mullen. Shel Holtz weighs in on the discussion here (although in the context of PR as a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Ld Jacobson, APR</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Ld Jacobson, APR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the comments already posted that PR practitioners in general, and PRSA in particular, could do more education about the credentialing of a PR professional. It is a rigorous process, and, once a PR practitioner achieves accreditation, that accreditation must be maintained through professional development. I think PRSA needs to address this lack of education and also more fully support the process.

PRSA to date has opted not to go the regulatory route, as suggested by Danny Brown. The CIPR, Britain&#039;s professional PR organization, has a regulatory body (http://www.cipr.co.uk/Membership/conduct/index.htm), but I don&#039;t know that their membership has used this avenue widely.

I opted to pursue both a master&#039;s degree and APR, each for different reasons. That said, I believe  integrity and quality of work should speak the loudest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the comments already posted that PR practitioners in general, and PRSA in particular, could do more education about the credentialing of a PR professional. It is a rigorous process, and, once a PR practitioner achieves accreditation, that accreditation must be maintained through professional development. I think PRSA needs to address this lack of education and also more fully support the process.</p>
<p>PRSA to date has opted not to go the regulatory route, as suggested by Danny Brown. The CIPR, Britain&#8217;s professional PR organization, has a regulatory body (<a href="http://www.cipr.co.uk/Membership/conduct/index.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.cipr.co.uk/Membership/conduct/index.htm)</a>, but I don&#8217;t know that their membership has used this avenue widely.</p>
<p>I opted to pursue both a master&#8217;s degree and APR, each for different reasons. That said, I believe  integrity and quality of work should speak the loudest.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I have a lot of respect for what the PRSA and similar organizations do, I feel that until the PR industry is a regulated one, accreditations don&#039;t mean as much as they could.

Yes, they say you have passed a certain board&#039;s approval system, but that doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;ll have great or moral work ethics when working.

I&#039;d much rather see a regulatory board that has powers to censure poor PR practices and practitioners, as opposed to a Code of Ethics that isn&#039;t really enforced.

After all, even if a PR professional is stripped of their APR, it won&#039;t stop them getting clients. But, if a regulatory board stopped them from working in PR or running a company because of bad practice, then it would offer a whole new level of authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have a lot of respect for what the PRSA and similar organizations do, I feel that until the PR industry is a regulated one, accreditations don&#8217;t mean as much as they could.</p>
<p>Yes, they say you have passed a certain board&#8217;s approval system, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;ll have great or moral work ethics when working.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather see a regulatory board that has powers to censure poor PR practices and practitioners, as opposed to a Code of Ethics that isn&#8217;t really enforced.</p>
<p>After all, even if a PR professional is stripped of their APR, it won&#8217;t stop them getting clients. But, if a regulatory board stopped them from working in PR or running a company because of bad practice, then it would offer a whole new level of authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Revista MBA &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poll: APR versus M.B.A.</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Revista MBA &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poll: APR versus M.B.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple weeks ago, I asked if APR accreditation still has any value in the PR world. That post led to lots of interesting comments that covered the entire spectrum of thoughts - from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] couple weeks ago, I asked if APR accreditation still has any value in the PR world. That post led to lots of interesting comments that covered the entire spectrum of thoughts &#8211; from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Freedman</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first arrived in Charlotte as a young professional over four years ago, I was in the audience when an accredited PR professional was speaking about the accreditation process. Trying to make a point, she compared the time and effort she put forth earning her accreditation to the same time and effort one would put toward earning an MBA. She followed this up by saying that she has never, in fact, gone after a master’s in business administration, but could imagine it’s just as hard as earning a PR accreditation.

Come on. Seriously? Not to discredit the APR or accreditation process, but there’s no way it’s 1) harder to achieve than an MBA or 2) more valued in the business world than an MBA.

I don’t have either an MBA or an APR, though both are on my radar. Why? I earned an undergraduate degree in journalism and, although I took a handful of courses in the business school, I never received a full-fledged business education. I feel now that I’ve been in the “real world” for a bit, I could bring my acquired knowledge to the b-school table and get a lot out of a formal business education.

As for the APR, I did major in public relations as an undergrad, but there’s only so much one can fully understand when studying PR in school (not a knock on my professors…you were great). I really learned the most from my internships. I learned even more when I started my first job. And I continue to learn more about my profession and my abilities every day. I think going through the APR process can only improve my abilities as a PR practitioner, whether it be by re-learning the things I (should have) studied in college or learning from APR and non-APR professionals who are a part of the accreditation process on a local level.

I agree with Richie Escovedo&#039;s comment above about CPAs.

I disagree with Martha Keeley&#039;s comment above. She said, “…Because PR is not like a CPA or an MD…it is a highly creative field where formulas and processes change with the wind...” I understand the point she is trying to make, but don&#039;t agree with her reasoning.

Did you know public relations professionals in some countries like Brazil and Panama need to be licensed by the government to work in PR? In fact, Edward L. Bernays lobbied for a public relations license in the U.S. before he passed away. Read more about it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prmuseum.com/bernays/bernays_1990.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first arrived in Charlotte as a young professional over four years ago, I was in the audience when an accredited PR professional was speaking about the accreditation process. Trying to make a point, she compared the time and effort she put forth earning her accreditation to the same time and effort one would put toward earning an MBA. She followed this up by saying that she has never, in fact, gone after a master’s in business administration, but could imagine it’s just as hard as earning a PR accreditation.</p>
<p>Come on. Seriously? Not to discredit the APR or accreditation process, but there’s no way it’s 1) harder to achieve than an MBA or 2) more valued in the business world than an MBA.</p>
<p>I don’t have either an MBA or an APR, though both are on my radar. Why? I earned an undergraduate degree in journalism and, although I took a handful of courses in the business school, I never received a full-fledged business education. I feel now that I’ve been in the “real world” for a bit, I could bring my acquired knowledge to the b-school table and get a lot out of a formal business education.</p>
<p>As for the APR, I did major in public relations as an undergrad, but there’s only so much one can fully understand when studying PR in school (not a knock on my professors…you were great). I really learned the most from my internships. I learned even more when I started my first job. And I continue to learn more about my profession and my abilities every day. I think going through the APR process can only improve my abilities as a PR practitioner, whether it be by re-learning the things I (should have) studied in college or learning from APR and non-APR professionals who are a part of the accreditation process on a local level.</p>
<p>I agree with Richie Escovedo&#8217;s comment above about CPAs.</p>
<p>I disagree with Martha Keeley&#8217;s comment above. She said, “…Because PR is not like a CPA or an MD…it is a highly creative field where formulas and processes change with the wind&#8230;” I understand the point she is trying to make, but don&#8217;t agree with her reasoning.</p>
<p>Did you know public relations professionals in some countries like Brazil and Panama need to be licensed by the government to work in PR? In fact, Edward L. Bernays lobbied for a public relations license in the U.S. before he passed away. Read more about it <a href="http://www.prmuseum.com/bernays/bernays_1990.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Keeley</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Keeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with Leo above.  I have been practicing PR forever but I am loathe to hire anyone who has a degree in public relations or communications. Why? Because PR is not like a CPA or an MD...it is a highly creative field where formulas and processes change with the wind.  I want people who are risk takers, creative thinkers and writers, students of history, people with intellectual curiosity.  They make the best PR practitioners.  I think people should stop putting APR after their names. It&#039;s not like we are saving lives...please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Leo above.  I have been practicing PR forever but I am loathe to hire anyone who has a degree in public relations or communications. Why? Because PR is not like a CPA or an MD&#8230;it is a highly creative field where formulas and processes change with the wind.  I want people who are risk takers, creative thinkers and writers, students of history, people with intellectual curiosity.  They make the best PR practitioners.  I think people should stop putting APR after their names. It&#8217;s not like we are saving lives&#8230;please.</p>
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		<title>By: Richie Escovedo</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwmullen.com/2008/10/03/apr/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie Escovedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, excellent conversation starter. First off, I do not have my APR (yet) and I have been struggling with the decision for some time now.

I think what has plagued the distinction is the fact that hardly anyone outside of PR knows what those three letters mean. As an industry we&#039;ve done, in my opinion, a poor job of explaining what it means to be accredited.

How long did it take for CPA to be the accepted standard for accountants? Would you think to take your taxes to someone who was not a CPA? We are not at that place yet.

I applaud anyone who has taken their time to dedicate themselves to this worthy professional development and achieve the distinction. Now I&#039;ll hang-up and listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, excellent conversation starter. First off, I do not have my APR (yet) and I have been struggling with the decision for some time now.</p>
<p>I think what has plagued the distinction is the fact that hardly anyone outside of PR knows what those three letters mean. As an industry we&#8217;ve done, in my opinion, a poor job of explaining what it means to be accredited.</p>
<p>How long did it take for CPA to be the accepted standard for accountants? Would you think to take your taxes to someone who was not a CPA? We are not at that place yet.</p>
<p>I applaud anyone who has taken their time to dedicate themselves to this worthy professional development and achieve the distinction. Now I&#8217;ll hang-up and listen.</p>
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